Buying a Blade
by Doña Arabella di Siena
Author notes: The above discussion was focused mainly on epee set-ups. For foils and schlagers,
the considerations are similar, but the overall weights (such as pommels) will change.
Also, for schlager, the option of open or swept hilts exists in most kingdoms. Swept
hilts are very good for light set-ups, and for the balance point in front of the guard.
AFS (American Fencing Supply, armory division) has an extensive catalog with drawings.
As I am familiar with their products and use them often as examples,
I often compare their size/weight with other SCA supplies to get a feeling for the effect
on the balance.
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What Do You Like?
Buying a blade and putting it together can be fun and easy. It also allows you
to customize a fighting tool to your style, size, and speed. If this is your first
blade, I would suggest going to SCA practices and trying out what others have. That
way you can get a feel for what type of blade best suits you.
If there is no practice near you, I would suggest starting out with a basic set-up (epee
with bell guard and quillion) carried by most SCA suppliers. When you are trying out the
blades, take note if these items:
- Balance point: Is the balance point of the sword in front of
the guard (if so, how many inches in front of the guard), or behind the guard (the weight seems to rest
in your hand)?
- Type of grip: Italian (quillions with finger guards) or plain (no
quillions)? Also, finger guards and knuckle guards are optional on some quillions.
- Length of Handle/Pommel: You should be able to tuck the pommel into your wrist. If it is too long, you
won't be able to bend your wrist easily because the handle/pommel is
in the way. Note: the length of the handle/pommel will depend on whether or
not you have quillions.
- Blade type: Do you like a stiffer and heftier blade, or a lighter and easy to bend blade?
- Overall "weight" of sword: Do you like a light set-up, or a more hefty set-up? Often
this is related to the balance point (light=balance in front, hefty=balance in hand).
Balance point: Historically, the balance point of rapiers was 1 to 3 inches in front
of the guard. This is how I typically set up my blades. In addition, I find this balance
is much better for people with weak wrists or small grips. People with large and strong
grips/wrists can often use swords with the balance point in-hand or the heftier
set-ups with little cost in speed and effectiveness.
Grip: This is strictly personal preference. Quillions are extremely useful, though,
and I would suggest starting with them early. Length does matter: Standard handles
are fine for the average or larger person. However, if you have small hands, take care to order
shorter (and if possible) narrower handles, and short pommels.
Blade: Unless you live in a schlager only kingdom,
the standard epee is the most common blade and very forgiving for beginners. If you already have a light touch
and prefer heavier set-ups, then the musketeer blade would probably suit you better.
Weight: For light set-ups, stick to brass/aluminum, or shallow/small steel guards.
If you like heft, go for the heavy weight steel.
Ordering: Now that you know what you like, how do you order it? You have two choices:
- (Easiest) You can order a complete blade from one vendor. If you do, ask about the
balance point and the overall weight. These are the main considerations to match your
style. If you have small hands, be sure to ask for handle length, or use method (b). SCA
suppliers will often have period basic set-ups.
- Order parts from several vendors. You will spend more in shipping, but if you know
fairly well what you want, you will probably be a lot happier with the end
result. If you are really picky (like me), you order everything but the pommel, try different
weights to find the correct balance point, and then order the pommel. (Hint, put the tip
on when determining balance point.)
Thread: When ordering the blade and pommel, the most common thread is 6x1mm (metric). Some items still come in 1/4''-20 (English), such as schlagers and some steel pommels. Either is fine, but just make sure you order all your equipment in the same thread. (For epee equipment, 6x1 is most common.)
Blade: Basically, you get what you pay for. Cheap blades tend to last less time (a few months to a year) than the more expensive blades (6 months to a couple years). Also, quality control is sporadic, and a good blade brand a year ago may be junk today. For epees, order the practice epee (not the electric), in size 5 (35'' blade).
Examples:
(all comments are my personal opinion and experience):
- Triplette's SCA Practice Epee: wider than standard epees, lasts a reasonable time for
the cost. (1 to 1.5 years). Be sure to order the SCA blade.
- France-Lames (FL): If you like blades that are thin and bend really easy, get this
blade. (6 months to a year) (So. California Fencers carries a FL blade that is much
thicker and stiffer than I have seen from any other vendor. Lasts about the same time.)
- Holstin Plus: A specially treated FL blade. Still thin and flexible, but stiffer and
lasts longer than the regular FL blade.
- Maraging blades: A little stiffer. Guaranteed to break flat. Lasts longer than regular blades.
- Russian Blades: Inexpensive. Quality control very sporadic. If it makes it past the
first month, it will usually last a few months to less than a year.
- Silverstar: About the same or less quality as a FL.
- Musketeer: Much stiffer than epee blades. Quality control is non-existent. Make sure you
don't get one that is too stiff. Lasts longer than epees (1+ years), and come in 40'' lengths.
Pommel: For a light set-up (or balance point in front of the guard), stick to pommels
of 3 to 5oz. If you do not have quillions, you will need a little extra weight (4 to 6oz). For a
heavy set-up (balance point in-hand), use 5 to 7oz. AFS and Scotty carry a good selection
of pommels. Triplette has pretty brass ones, but need a little grinding to round
the base.
Handle: A standard wood or leather wrapped handle is a good start.
Most SCA supplies have them, and some will custom size for larger or smaller hands
(i.e. Darkwood). Triplette carries an inexpensive brass wound into black polymer that looks good
and lasts (for small grips and quillions, get the 4.0'').
Guard: For light set-ups (balance in front), go for a small or shallow cup guard.
Brass or aluminum will keep the weight down if you use the bigger guards. (AFS Aluminum
Italian/Hollywood Cups, So CA Fencers Brass Italian Cup). If you use steel, make
sure it is a shallow cup and not very thick. (Check various SCA suppliers, AFS's Musketeer
or Shell guards.) For heavy set-ups, use larger steel guards (such as the steel
Spanish Cup) to add heft. If you want the balance point behind the guard, but not a lot of
weight, go for a shallow steel cup and a slightly heavier pommel. (**note: the AFS Italian
Cup has narrow slits in it, which are not allowed in some kingdoms. This is easily fixed
by epoxing leather on the back.)
Quillions: Go for steel (various SCA suppliers), or the bronze-magnesium (AFS). Stay
away from brass, as they break easily. Also, round bar is a lot more comfortable on the hands than
square bars (the cross section of the metal rod). If you get quillions
with finger guards, be sure they are large enough for your finger(s). (i.e. AFS quillions
will allow one finger, but not two).
Tips: AFS sells rubber epee tips (bigger than plastic foil tip, smaller than rabbit blunts).
Thumb guards: You can use a thick piece of leather, or AFS sells a black leather thumb guard.
You will want some padding. (Felt pads are cheap and available from all modern suppliers.)
Putting it Together: (If you ordered the parts separately) Most likely the tang will be too long.
Put everything together except the pommel (guard, thumb pad, quillions, and handle). You should
have at least 7 thread turns to screw the pommel on. If it is too long, use a hacksaw to
shorten it to the right length, leaving as many threads as possible that fit into the
pommel. To saw, secure the majority of the tang and part of the forte tightly in a vise,
leaving as short a length as possible to do the cutting (this minimizes vibrations). If
possible, use cutting fluid or WD-40 where you are sawing. I often cut 1/3 of the way at a
time, allowing the tang to cool a bit in between cuttings. Use a file to smooth the
sharp edges after cutting. Sometimes the hole in the guard is too small for the tang of the
blade to go all the way through (the guard should rest on the front of the guard securely). Use a small
file to open this up, taking care to keep the hole square-ish. If the guard rocks on the forte,
use a small thin piece of leather in between to tighten this up. If the hole is too big, wrap
a small amount of tape at the base of the tang to fill it in. If you get a fancy
pommel, you will probably want it facing a certain way. I have found that a thin piece of leather
between the pommel and handle will help adjust this.
Merchants
SCA = They carry SCA style fencing set-ups (check your local rules for allowed hilts and blades)
Modern = They carry modern fencing equipment.
Replicas = They carry full weight rapiers and replicas.
*, **, and *** = I have bought/used their equipement.
* = Quality and service fluctuates.
** = Quality and service satisfactory.
*** = Highly recommend them for quality and service.
+, ++, and +++ = I have not bought/used their equipment. Comments are from Surveys.
+ = Quality/service on the low end.
++ = Quality/service satisfactory
+++ = Quality/service highly recomended
Alchem (SCA) **
(steel bucklers, simple steel hilt set-ups)
http://www.alcheminc.com/
314 East 195th St.
Euclid, Ohio 44119
(216) 313-8674
(415) 863-7911, fax (415) 431-4931
American Fencers Supply (SCA, modern) **
(Large selection. Good for parts. Pricey.)
(Survey indicate swept/open/cage hilts not good. Bell gaurds and other parts
fine.)
http://amfence.com/
1180 Folsom St., San Francisco, CA 94103
Black Rose Creations (SCA) ***
( steel/swept hilts at good prices. Great quality.)
http://www.greenhead.com/blackrose/
c/o Terry M. Marr
7 Devonshire Drive
Egg Harbor Twp., N.J. 08234-7111
(609) 926-1297
Blade (modern) +
http://www.blade-fencing.com/
212 W. 15th Street, New York, NY 10011
New York, NY 10011
ph: 1-800-828-5661 fax: (212) 620-0116
NY/NJ/CT: (212) 620-0114
Blue Gauntlet Fencing Gear Inc.
505 Saddle River Road
Saddle Brook, NJ 07663
(201) 845-9277
(201) 845-9291 (fax)
By the Sword ( SCA, modern, replicas)
http://www.by-the-sword.com/
P.O. Box 07282
Ft. Myers, Florida 33919
Phone/Fax (941) 433-9368
Colonial Dist. Fencing Equip. +
(I have no recent data on this company. Survey
is from equipment bought several years ago.)
P.O. Box 636, Cedarburg, WI 53012
414-3779166 Fax: 414-377-9166
Columbia Fencing Equipment
1118 N.W. 86th Circle
Vancouver, WA 98665
(360) 574-7027
Cutting Edge (SCA)
(rapier armour/clothing and accessories)
http://home1.gte.net/22sew
11628 Foxfire Drive
Hudson, FL 34669-2301
(813) 856-6733
(850) 872-1873
Darkwood (SCA) ***
(steel/swept hilts at good prices, lobster helms. Great quality.)
http://www.panacom.com/~darkwood
5514 Frank Hough Rd.
Panama City, FL 32404
The Knife Center (SCA, replicas)
(low prices, basic set-ups, accessories)
www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/swords/sword1.html
P.O. Box 902
11263 Somerset Ave.
Beltsville, MD 20705
Orders: 1-301-937-2629
LEON PAUL EQUIPMENT Co (modern)
http://www.netlink.co.uk/us
Units 1 and 2 Cedar Way
Camley Street
London NW1 0JQ
phone: +44 (0) 171 388 8132
fax: +44 (0) 171 388 8134
MAS (SCA) *
(Local buyers, big-name people, and quantity buyers seem to be satisfied. Out of Kingdom
and typical customers report numerous problems with low quality and lack of
service. Hilt quality improved lately.)
http://www.masweapons.com/
phone: 918-835-0467
Physical Chess, Inc. (modern) ++
http://www.physicalchess.com/
2933 Vauxhall Road
Vauxhall, NJ 07088
(800) FENCING, fax: (908) 964-3092
Santelli Inc. (SCA, modern) ***
(some SCA. Great masks.)
465 S. Dean St.
Englewood, NJ 07631
(201) 871-3105, fax: (201) 871-8718
Southern California Fencers ***
(local CA store, open Wed and Thurs 4-8pm)
16131 Valerio St
Van Nuys, CA 91406
(818) 997-4538, fax (818) 998-8385
Spike Steingasser (steel hilts, replicas)**
(New hilt maker. Very good quality, detail)
2633 Lincoln Blvd. #238
Santa Monica, CA 90405
(310) 775-1806
Scotty Armory (SCA) ***
(good source for schlager blades, pommels, daggers.)
(Standard hilts tend towards large grips. Small hand people should mention size when ordering.)
http://www.infomagic.com/~scotarm
Lockett Springs Ranch
P.O. Box 682 , Williams, AZ 86046
voice/fax (520)635-9588
Triplette Competition Arms (SCA , modern, decent prices)***
(While they do not have a large SCA selection for gaurds or hilts, they are great
for SCA protective equipment, blades, and a few neat grips and pommels.)
162 W. Pine St., Mt. Airy, NC 27030
phone: (910) 786-5294 fax: 910-786-7012
Re-webbed by Todde mac Donnell. This page was last edited a few years ago and shows its age in a few places.
I will work with Doña Arabella to update the details while
leaving the article as her work.